I have
spent considerable time on the water system while I modified my truck. On the
drawing you can see how my system works. Here I tell you what has proven good
and what has proven to be bad. I will be following the system step by step, mentioning each unit, starting at the water tank following through till the drain at the sink.
Water Tank
The Good: Buying it cheap on the web
in excellent conditions. The wide opening to clean it out manually without
using chemicals. 80 liters is a perfect size that gives you enough independence
especially when free camping a lot. The installation inside of the vehicle will
protect your water system from freezing. Even at nights with temperatures below
freezing in the truck it was never cold enough to have any freezing issues.
The Bad: Takes up a lot of space
inside the truck
The Ugly: Nothing
What would I do different if I was to
start again: I would probably spend the extra money and installation
efforts for an outside tank to be installed under the truck between the chassis
beams. 80 liters of space inside of a relatively small vehicle to give up just
for water is a lot. Disadvantage of the outside tank: Freezing issues,
expensive, more complicated to install since it requires more cut-throughs into
the vehicle. Advantage: It frees up a lot of space inside the car, it further
lowers the point of gravity.
Plumbing
Top is stainless steel for drinking water from the tank to the water tap, second and third is aluminum for the radiator coolant IN and OUT to the Heat-Exchanger |
Instead of just using hoses I have installed serious plumbing where possible.
Stainless steel for the fresh water, aluminum tubing for the radiator coolant which I needed for the heat-exchanger for the hot water.
The Good: Solid, long lasting, clean
and healthy. No leaks, no issues over the past 160’000 kms and about 5 years since installation.
The Bad: Expensive, heavy, a lot of
work to build and install initially (vs. plastic hoses).
The Ugly/Problems so far: One hose
slipped off and resulted in a leak, plumbing itself no issues.
Would I do it different: No, same way all over again.
The Pump
Note: In this picture he pump is not connected yet, nor electrically neither to the water system. The wiring is original Surflo, I manteled the wires for protection. |
I installed a
Sureflo Whisper King Pump and a small filter in front of the pump for protection
of the pump.
The Good: It actually is quiet, the
electrical motor used is strong and reliable.
The Bad: When bought in Europe it is
very expensive for what is. It is US built, sorry my US friends! The US
Americans like to buy new shit once in wile, often or at a certain high
frequency. Most of the products manufactured in the US are catering excellently
to that need of the US consumers. I call those things “Proudly built in the US not to last”. The first pump lasted
about 8 months until it started having issues with the pressure switch. I
managed to repair it in situ.
The Ugly: After about 18 months it
started leaking on the plastic housing of the water pump side. The entire thing
is just build kind of cheapish, see “The Bad”. I replaced it with the same type
after about 2 years of use. Disassembled the first one and cleaned out the
water pump part and replaced the O-Ring and put it aside as spare. The newly
installed one lasted about another year and a bit when it started leaking at
the same spot as the first one did. I guess it is one of those things that are fine when used in an RV that you take out for a three week vacation once a year but not
for heavy duty use in an off-road overlanding truck for a couple of years and daily use.
What would I do different: I would
search the market for a better quality product or even better build my own with
a 12 Volt electro-motor i.e. the windscreen-wiper motor of a compact car from
the scrapper and buy a small industrial grade water pump, i.e. as used for garden
fountains or such, connect the two pieces and hopefully be trouble free for
years.
The Accumulator
The Surflo accumulator with the mount I manufactured, on the right is the tire pressure valve for the pressure setting by a tire pump. Pluming is not in yet. |
I installed a
Sureflo water pressure accumulator. Its job is to level out the pressure
difference that the pump might create because it switches on by lower pressure,
as soon as you open the mixing valve at the faucet. It has a rubber membrane
inside and it can be pumped up with a tire pump or a small bike pump to leverage out the pressure to perfect level.
The Good: It is a plastic part but surprisingly
well built. No issues neither on water nor on the air half of the part.
The Bad: A waste of money. For a car
as short as mine the part is not really required and doesn’t make a whole lot
of a difference.
The
Ugly: Nothing.
What would I do different: Not even
bother to install one
Manual Cut-Off Valves in the fresh water system
I have installed a cut off valve right after the tank in front of the pump this
allows to shut off all water flow right after the tank for any kind of
maintenance on the system. The second valve is before the filters and the
heat-exchanger, which allows cutting off for filter cleaning/replacement. I
have used industrial grade brass ball-valve units vs. the plastic RV things.
The Good: All
The Bad: Slightly more expensive
than the RV plastic stuff, heavy
The Ugly: Nothing
I would do it the same way again.
Manual Cut-Off Valves in the Heat-Exchanger radiator coolant water system
The Good: All
Bad and Ugly: Nothing
Pressure Regulator Pre-Heat-Exchanger IN
The water pressure has to be regulated prior to feeding it into the Heat-Exchanger
in order not to exceed manufacturer’s specs. I have used a RV type regulator.
Tipp: Should you decide to build a system without water filters you can save money here since you will be able to run the entire system with a lower pressure at the pump OUT, meaning you will not need more pressure than what the Heat-Exchanger is approved for anyways.
Tipp: Should you decide to build a system without water filters you can save money here since you will be able to run the entire system with a lower pressure at the pump OUT, meaning you will not need more pressure than what the Heat-Exchanger is approved for anyways.
The Good: All
Bad and Ugly: Nothing
Heat Exchanger
During installation and adjustments, the Heat-Exchanger sits on its own floorboard piece and can be removed independent from the rest of the water system if required for repairs or modifications. |
The heat exchanger I have installed is an Elgena unit with 6 liter capacity. It
is connected to the engine cooling system, which means as soon as your engine
has warmed up you will have 6 liter of hot water. Additionally there is an
electrical system that allows for the use as an electrical boiler, which you
can purchase either in a 12 or 24 Volts version or 110 or 240 Volts. I have
chosen the 12 V one. I would not want to leave without that piece of equipment
anymore. When you free camp in the wild it is just wonderful to have a hot
shower after a day of hiking, driving or any other activities. The hot water is
extremely hot when heated with the engine, approx. 80°C which allows when mixed
to a comfy temperature level for a shower of about 10 minutes despite the small
water volume in the heat exchanger. You can also use the hot water to do your
dishes and while on the road you can prepare yourself a hot tea or a quick-soup
without unpacking/starting up your stove.
The Good: Many, see above
The Bad: Expensive, extensive
plumbing works required to connect to the engine cooling system, kind of bulky
for a small overlanding vehicle. Not build for outside (under chassis) installation.
The Ugly: The electrical aux-heating
failed after about 2 years and is currently still unserviceable (the engine
heat-exchanger part works so well that I did not bother repairing the electr.
part on the road).
Would I do it different now: Yes, I
would buy the high power electrical option with 220 Volts vs. the 12 Volts one,
the reason being: When on the road I do have hot water from the engine, when on
an organized campground I could connect to the grid. With 12 Volts 330 Watts the
boiler uses a lot of power, so with the 12 Volt electrical option I need top
solar conditions in order to use it with my own electricity, when that is the case (hot weather usually), I might as
well shower cold. Worst case I could still run the engine for 10 to15 minutes
and not even bother about the electrical boiler part.
Overpressure/Bleeding Valve at the Heat-Exchanger
The Elgena Heat-Exchanger comes with the solid brass unit. This will protect
the system from over pressure and also allows you to bleed the system. I have
attached a hose to the overpressure valve exit side and connected it with a Y-Connector
to the sink's drain. If the valve opens, which if the case, is for a fraction of
a second only, the water will not splash into the vehicle and be guided
directly outside.
The Good: All
Bad and Ugly: Nothing
Water Filter
System leak test prior to the installation of the Heat-Exchanger, Sink etc. |
The Good: Works excellent, not just
for clean but also for tasty water. Never had any issues and making my own
drinking water on the entire trip.
The Bad: An expensive solution,
buying water might be a more economical at the end of the day. It is just so much easier to
have your drinking water with you all the time and at the quantity still in
your tank vs. having all those pet bottles with drinking water somewhere in your car.
The Ugly: Nothing
Would I do it different now: No.
Mixing Valves, Shower Head, Water Faucet
The pull-out shower head. RV style made of plastic, after 5 years since installation and 4 years regular use, in the background you can see the broken support when the shower is back in place. |
Mixing valve and water tap, chromplated house type of casted brass unit. 4 years of service without issues.
The Good: High quality units pay off
no issues at all, no leaks, nothing breaks. This type of units usually last for 20 years in a house.
The Bad: Expensive, heavy
The Ugly: The RV type of shower is plastic and did not last, It does not
leak but its fixture at the mounting point started breaking and ever since it
does not sit nice and firm at its location.
Would I do it different now: Yes, I would also use a house type high
quality shower vs. the RV plastic thingy.
I have installed the water tap in a way that allows to use it either inside draining into the sink or outside draining into the wild.
It is a nice option, especially when I sit/cook under the awning. Hower this is not an important option, when the layout of your truck does not cater well to that I would not put too much effoert in making it possible. As an alternative you can always use the pull out shower for water supply when outside.
The Sink
I have bought the sink used. It is a stainless steel typical RV type of unit. It is great to have a sink inside the car, see above, especially when street camping in a village or city it allows for you to wash yourself inside of the car without doing too much street nakedness under the OMG shower.
The Good: Works well, good quality, light weight, second hand was cheap, easy to find second hand.
The Ugly: Nothing
Would I do it different now: Yes, I
would buy a smaller sink. It is excellent to have a sink inside the car, you
can wash yourself when using the outside shower is not appropriate, you have a
place to drain your water, do your laundry or dishes or put your dirty hiking shoes
in after a muddy trip. But the unit I have installed just takes up too much
valuable space in a small rig as mine. I would go for a the same unit but only
half as wide.
The Drain
I am draining the water from the sink directly outside. I use 100% bio
degradable soap and whenever possible I use a bucket which I put outside under the drain and carry the waste water
into a toilet or a sink at a house. I have no toilet and therefore the waste
water is not contaminated with anything more than soap, toothpaste and alike. I
have installed a shut of valve into the drain for two reasons: 1. To keep any
kind of small creatures out that might find their way through the waste water
hose and 2. To shut it close when I am crossing rivers with my car.
The Good: All
Bad and Ugly: Nothing
Would I do it different now: No
The Hoses
For the fresh water system I have used industrial grade pressure hoses that can
resist temperatures of up to 90°C and a pressure of up to 10 bar. This is
slightly more expensive than the red and blue RV type of hoses but will
guarantee you a longer and trouble free life. Where appropriate I have marked
them with a red (hot) or blue (cold) tape. The hoses I have used for the engine
cooling water side of the Heat-Exchanger are standard car heating hoses that I
bought by the meter.
The Good: All
Bad and Ugly: Nothing
Would I do it different now: No
Feel free to comment below if this was helpful, if not or if you have different experience with your system and/or tipps and tricks for those currently working on their dream.
I wish you fun building your truck and safe travels. Hope this helps you and makes it easy to build your own water system.
If you want to know why I call my shower the OH MY GOD SHOWER, click here and read all about it.
If you want to see more pictures of the modifications done to my Land Cruiser, click here.
Very helpful writeup Thomas! I admire the work that went into your system, specially the aluminum/stainless plumbing.
ReplyDeleteA few notes from my side:
- More expensive 12v water pumps have already a smart pressure sensor build in. Therefore there is no need for an accumulator these days in small water systems.
- Not sure if you used any at all, but as for fresh water hoses I would always use non-transparent to avoid any kind of bacteria growing.
Another note from my experience. It might not matter much if you have 80l for one person, but bring along one more person and travel through a desert and you need to think about water preservation. For this I would add/change two things:
- Add thermostat valve before the hot-water outlet. After a long drive the water in the boiler is scalding hot and not usable unless you mix it with cold water. In your (or our old) setup it takes a bit of time and water to find the right temperature with the mixer or for the shower head. With a thermostat valve you already have the right temperature to start with and maybe only little adjustments need to be done. Unless you catch the unused water before the right temperature comes out of the faucet, it would be wasted.
- While I understand where you are coming from with the non-RV type of faucet, it also has the disadvantage to use a lot more water to have a nice, constant flow. Unless you haven’t done that already I would buy a “water saving aerator” to screw on your faucet or find a high-quality RV faucet to save more water.
Happy travels!
Hello Felix,
DeleteThank you very much for your valuable feed-back!
1. Accumulator, I agree with you; as mentioned in my post I would not even bother installing one at all
2. Hoses, very good input, I did not think about that, the hoses I have used are semi-transparant, but none of them are exposed to day or artifical light where they are installed.
3. The thermostat: On that one I do not agree, I found it an advantage to have the water that hot, because this allows you to have more water in a comfy temperature to shower, meaning when mixed you use little of the hot water out of the boiler mixed with much more cold water; and the only 6 liter easily last for two people to have a quick, comfy shower. One thing that might make a difference between our two set-ups is, that I have installed the heat-exchanger right under the mixing valve resulting in a very short (and initially cold) water line between hot water boiler-tank and mixing valve respectively shower head. The non-RV type mixing valve allows for a agreeable setting in seconds.
4. Good point with the water saving aerator; I have tested various options at the faucet outlet and found the set up with relatively low water pressure (which you'll have anyway after a dual filter system ;-) and a standard 'air-grid-screen' in the faucet's outlet works best for me.
Thanks again, Felix! - Looking forward to seeing you back home in Europe. Hasta luego Amigo!
Hey Thomas,
DeleteI should have probably explained the valve (also called Thermostatic mixing valve) a bit better. It does not change the temperature in your boiler. As you said the boiler temperature should be as hot as possible to last longer. What it does it automatically mixes hot/cold water to a preset temperature. Have that right before your shower head and you wont need any kind of manual water mixing (and wasting) and always have your preferred shower temperature. This device becomes more and more common at the home shower installation as well and is a great way to persevere water.
Of course a very short line between boiler and faucet is an advantage too.
Absolutely, can’t wait to get back together and listen to all your stories.
Cheers
Thanks Felix, yes I did misunderstand. All clear now. Thanks. Me too, looking forward to seeing you all. ALL! :-)
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